My ARG Spidey-senses are tingling.Some strange things seem to be going on over at the blog that posted the Mystery Tales comic in "Cabin Fever". First, they posted a final story from the comic book, but they still haven't posted the story for the cover. When posters in the comments asked for it, they gave a brief summary: "Some scientist named Jake Bronowski is on a plane that passes through a storm and he weirds out during landing because the buildings don't look the same. His best friend Dr. Polder, with whom he's been playing an ancient Egyption game he discovered, meets him but his name is now Waxman. To make a long story short, they figure out that playing the game results in a "limitless outcome of similar timelines". It's a weird game like chess game and Jake makes the "right move" and suddenly he's transported back to his timeline where Waxman is Polder again. Honestly though, the story has nothing to do with LOST. It has a strong spiritualism slant to it. It sounds more like Jumanji than anything else." When pressed further for scans of the story, they replied: "We are sorry but we've received correspondence from a solicitor suggesting it would not be in our interests to scan "The Travellers". We are sorry but it is not worth a lawsuit." As well as "We can add no more than we mentioned in post #8 above."
A game? Like, with rules? Like the rules that Ben complained got changed? An Egyptian game? Like the Egyptian glyphs all over the island? And doctors changing names? One commenter also noted that "Limitless Outcome of Similar Timelines" is an acronym for LOST. Hmmm. They also posted on the comic blog that they just found out about the Octagon commercial and site, when they were told today that the Octagon website mentions the story in the comic called "March Has 32 Days", as just about every eager LOST ARG fan knows by now.
Seriously, as FYSB asks over at TLC, that comic's very old, so when would public domain apply? And Maven found on the bottom of the site page: "blog hosted at Oceanic Webhosting Services" which connects to the old Oceanic site. So on TLC we are thinking that either the comic and/or blog are fake and whipped up for the show and game (although Sayidsgirl at TLC thinks that it's up on another auction online); TPTB did not expect anyone to find this musty old classic comic and they have asked these guys to refrain from revealing this last story which pertains to either the show or the ARG; or the comic owners are a part of TPTB and games began before we even knew it during "Cabin Fever". However you look at it for now, it's odd. But if TPTB did indeed ask them not to reveal things that they have lifted from the comic for the show, that's fair enough and copacetic by me.
Note: Jacob Bronowksi is the scientist who was in the BBC series "The Ascent of Man". LoCos at TLC have yet to find anything interesting about the name Polder.
http://www.mysterytales40.com/
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I have to believe that "Waxman" cannot be a coincidence.
Me too. And now that I think about it, I hope that these guys did not just "spoiler" the entire rest of the plot line for us. Wow. Hopefully, if they did accidently trump TPTB by finding this comic, TPTB told them how much they could say that would not give away the secrets of the show. Yikes.
Wow, capcom, I didn't even think of that. I'm going to believe that's not the case...yet. It's too early for the interns to blow it, I think we know just what we're supposed to.
I hope.
Great summary of our day today, Capcom. It would be very strange if these Spanish guys just happen to find this comic and this last story contains "vital" info for future shows. We know TPTB get inspiration from various sources, including comics.
Hey, Capcom. A specific comic cannot fall under public domain after a certain point like a copyright does. In the case of comics fromthe 40s and 50s, many stories get reprinted stating with a clause that many if anyone knows whose work is being used (scripts, letters, inks, whatever), to contact the publisher. The lawsuit thing cannot come from anyone because there is no basis for it. All along, I've felt this to be a doctored up thing, and I may be wrong. But there is no way the poster can say that they were threatened with a lawsuit in a believable way, I mean, why wouldn't they threaten the lawsuit as soon as the first story was being scanned? The copyright on the comic (or any publication) is that it gets renewed every 27 years. That's how DC lost a lawsuit regarding the character of Superboy and also allowed Marvel to copyright the name Captain Marvel even though DC owned the original character from Fawcett Comics. So I think the posting is just a carrot on a stick. The cover artist looks like Basil Wolverton and I've gone through his work and not seen mention of the comic. Also, if someone was planning a lawsuit, they'd have to have gotten permission from the producetrs to use the comic in the first place. Hmnnn. I'm wondering if the comic will make an appearance next month at WizardWorld San Diego (the comic convention) because Octagon Recruiting will be there also. Anyways. I'm skeptical. But then I'm wrong a lot, also.
Oh, and I guess I wasn't being clear as I reread my post. Atlas (pre-Marvel) did MYSTERY TALES and JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY (which eventually was changed to THOR). I BELIEVE that the comic has the mentioned story in it. I just think that the information about the contents might be full of red herrings. Yet, as we are really well towards the end of the series, maybe the producers would toss out a huge piece of info like the specific story. But I also don't believe that they'd allow for the entire idea of the series to be spoiled in such a way. I'll now let you get back to your regularly scheduled summer solstice Friday.
You know Wayne, in the back of my mind last night I was thinking that we should ask you about all that! :-D Thanks for the great info. I think that Dejezter found it listed in a pricing guidelines book also.
That was our thought too, how could they get all the way through the comic with no repercussions, and then get hung up legally on the cover story?
I'd bet that if TPTB are using a part of the story, and these dudes did stumble upon it, that TPTB would tell them what little info they could say about it that wouldn't spoil it all for them and us. :-o
This morning's update: Now the comic blog guys have posted that whomever told us last night about the legal issues, has made all that up. But as yet they haven't said why the cover story has not been scanned. :-o
Whoever perpetrated the hoax certainly has a very vivid imagination! I wonder if the actual story "The Travellers" is actually about what the hoaxer says its about. Even given that its a hoax, its very strange that the guys haven't posted the actual text of the story. Crazy spaniards!! LOL :):) (No disrespect - I like those guys for posting what they have!). A bit of excitement to fill the boredome between seasons of Lost!
My last post was a little vague. An anoymous blogger over at mysterytales40.com revealed what the storyline to the Traveller was (the information you posted above). This anonymous blogger also said that no more could be revealed due to legal threats. Then a couple of days later one of the guys who runs mysterytales40, logs on to check the blogs, having not checked them for 2 days; he finds that this anonymous blogger has been impersonating the owners of the site and stating a load of b.s about legal suites and so forth. What is an open issue is the following:
1. What is the story of the Traveller about (It is a 2 page text story listed on the official atlas website as being part of the comic) ? Was the anonymous blogger right about its contents or was it purely his or her imagination?
2. Why won't the people at mysterytales40.com scan the text story in and let others know whats going on; especially if , as they claim, the anonymous blogger was lying to us?
Lost is alot like reading the comic Watchmen. You end becoming this paranoid reader/viewer that sees connections that probably aren't there at all as you try and solve the mystery. I think this is a case of this paranoia and search for connections going a little too far. Probably time for us all to take up a different hobby and get out in the sunshine :):) Or me atleast! On the other hand, just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not following you!
I did not even know the story in question was a text piece. Those were fairly common in comics up through the mid 60s, and some might have been accompanied by one illustration. Also, just talking about public domain again, most of the text pieces I'm aware of (my oldest comic is from 1940) were not given credits. Usually whoever wasn't doing something at a given moment typed it out. I'm glad Lost Goose brought up THE WATCHMEN, a 12-issue volume set in a somewhat dystopian 1985, that pretty much set the standard for adult-themed mini- or maxi-series. Written by Alan Moore, one could expect the foreshadowing one sees in LOST, as he is a very meticulate writer. He would hand in a script to artist Dave Gibbons and have paragraphs of handrwitten notes in the margins. "Show this, but imply this." I agree that there is just so much that is layered in to LOST that some things are just there as a happy coincidence, such as the text piece appearing in a book with that specific cover.
Hey Lost Goose. :-) Yes, I sure agree with you both about the trouble with reading too much into things. But 4 points stick with me:
1) The cover story in the show's comic will not or cannot be shown -- why not? There were many people who scanned and posted Walt's comic Faster Friends. What that means I don't know, haha. :o)
2) The Octagon email leads us to that comic for whatever reason, that we might learn when an ARG supposedly begins in July.
3) In TLE-1 the ABC/game interns (we assumed) made numerous little mistakes that messed up certain steps of the game. Fake TLE commenters and sites took advantage of these gaffs and opportunities to throw us of track, or to add their own fake dimension to the game. Who knows if this anonymous person is in-game or not, but it will not be nice if he's phony. :-p
4) TPTB did actually utilize some non-ABC blog sites (Doc Arzt, DarkUFO, TLC) to send out clues, so they might be taking the opportunity to give these Spanish guys some fan-kudos by using their site...or the site is just outright created by TPTB.
But like I said, what that all might mean, I haven't a clue. It's hard to ignore a mystery tho! :-D Which leads me to think that I need to follow both your leads and check out the Watchmen story!
Wayne, as always, your historical info of pulp/comics fascinates me! :-D I like how you describe Moore's attention to detail as well.
Capcom wrote:
“1) The cover story in the show's comic will not or cannot be shown -- why not? There were many people who scanned and posted Walt's comic Faster Friends.”
You raise a good question. I think Faster Friends was a more modern comic (10 years old if that??) that is easier to get, scan in and display to people. This Mystery Tales comic is quite rare, the crazy Spaniards paid 400 odd dollars for it. They probably haven’t initially scanned it in because it’s a text story. As Wayne mentioned in a previous post the comics from the 50s had short 1 or 2 page text stories in them. These were generally atrociously written stories; or atleast the ones in Tales from the Crypt were. They may have looked at the story and thought, why bother scanning this in, its not even a comic book story, no one is interested in this. That being said, enough of us have asked for this story now, so it is still a mystery why it hasn’t been published; maybe they just can’t be bothered or maybe there is more to it. I am in agreement with you, I’m just qualifying a few points you made.
Capcom wrote:
“3) In TLE-1 the ABC/game interns (we assumed) made numerous little mistakes that messed up certain steps of the game. Fake TLE commenters and sites took advantage of these gaffs”
I didn’t know that! I wasn’t into Lost at that time and didn’t participate in TLE, so that’s interesting, thanks for sharing that. It does create more paranoia than smoking a tonne of weed though JJ Could I be one of them? Could you? Were you or have you ever been a Communist? Put away that gun …….
God I loved reading Watchmen as a 17 year old kid way back in the 80’s. I never thought I’d have as much fun again until Lost came about! Bring on the paranoia !!! Who watches to Losties!J
It’s interesting how things are very quiet at mysterytales40.com at the moment.
The crazy spaniards have posted the first page of "The Travellers" story (without the last page). Looks like its a story about a time travelling couple, but interestingly it bares no resemblance to the story that the anonymous poster put on the blog!!! Any thoughts folks?
Hey, guys. Since everyone is bringing that one up, its actually Flash/Green Lantern: Faster Friends. Those two characters were the first that DC 'updated' back in the late 50s, based on different characters with different origins, & costumes, and so the characters have always been portrayed as close friends. The arc is two issues, actually; the first dealing with the 40s characters and the second dealing with the current (as in, late 90s) Flash & GL. There is no real need that that book ever get scanned, because it really only led us to believe that Walt 'manifested' the polar bear after reading Hurley's comic. The story itself deals with the government coverup of an alien ship crashing, nothing at all to do with LOST (past the four-toes, I suppose). Also, that book is readily available in most comic shops at a few bucks above cover price. For those familiar with THE WATCHMEN, just as an aside, DC had recently acquired the rights to the superheroes in the Charlton Comics line. Moore wanted to use these characters in his book, but DC told him no, because they planned to use them, and his book was self-contained. Wiki either Watchmen or, say, Blue Beetle and you'll see the character changes. Might be interesting reading for some since the Watchmen film is due out this Christmas.
Time-travelling couple. Adam & Eve in the caves. Only connection I can make. Time travel figures into the scope of LOST now, but I think its best to say Adam & Eve and not, say, Desmond & Minkowski (or Penny). Again, and this is if the story ends up with the couple in the Garden of Eden on page two (as Goose says, the stories were horrendous though with a trick ending, wheras a longer illustrated comic story might've fared better), I think its just something to consider, like Walt & the polar bear.
Interesting! And very 1950s. Kind of reminded me of when Jeanie blinked a house across the street from Major Nelson's and moved into it in an instant, fully furnished. :o)
You know, I was wondering last night why a story about a couple guys playing a freaky game would be called The Travelers. I really hope that the fakers keep a low profile for this ARG. :-p
Right, the only reason to copy the Faster Friends comic was to check out the polar bear, the floating city under glass, and to see if there was anything else in there of importance, which there wasn't I don't think. This one most likely won't reveal too much, TPTB seem to take only bits and pieces of ideas from things that they like and then put them altogether.
Maybe the DeGroots were the first to get bumped off the island by the FDW, and if you go back to the island you age and die, so they are Adam and Eve? Who knows. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Wouldn't it be funny if two years from now we get to the end of lost and find that even though what we just went through was a hoax, that the hoax was the truth and Lost really was a time travel type game between Widmore and someone else!!! There are heaps of references to games and rules of conduct throughout the entire series. Personally I think Lost will end Watchmen style, taking us back to the beginning scene in some way or another. Maybe its all a time travel game and at the end they decide to restart the game! Who knows. Lets hope its something more imaginative than that.
As a funny aside, some of the bloggers over at mysterytales40 are now accusing the crazy spaniards of a cover up; that the story published is a photoshop :):):) Once you enter a paranoid conspiracy oriented mental frame its very hard to step out of it, even when the facts start to unravel your case. Very hard to talk people out of conspiracies; they just end up accusing you of being part of it!!
I am torn about which way to lean on this "Travelers" thing. On one hand, it could be just as the Spanish guys are telling us, and they just didn't get around to scanning in "The Travelers" (or, thinking a text story was not interesting enough, hadn't done it yet.)
On the other hand, Octagon's email did lead us directly to their site. (There's no way that line about March Has 32 Days could have hacked into that code page, right?) So we have to assume that the story figures into the new ARG somehow.
Like, Capcom, I'm very suspicious of the coincidence of the Mystery Tales site and the mention of the story in the email. The conspirator in me says that the Mystery Tales site was a set-up from the get go! But I'm willing to be very open about this and go with the "it's a small world" notion and wonder why the last story scanned in occurred only a few days before we all got the email. Is it coincidence or fate? LOL
Ah! Now I understand. Everyone got some type of email because they signed up with Octagon. Now I get where some of this info was coming from. Thanks, Maven. That answers a few things like the "March has 32 Days" thing. I've never done the role playing game (or whatever) or watched the mobisodes, as I'm on dial-up.
Yep, Wayne...that's where all this started -- with the email and the "view page source" code. The Mystery Tales site was up right after "Cabin Fever" on May 8th. Everyone thought these Spaniards were super crazy fans willing to spend $400 to get this comic book. We all were grateful, of course, to see the scans!
Now that the coming ARG might have something to do with the comic, we all grew very suspicious of the site and/or the Spanish group.
The second page is up of the Travelers. The story followed its ultra predictable direction. The only vague connection I can see is that there are time travellers who visit us without us knowing (e.g Mr. Abbadon and Locke, Desmond in the background when Charlie is a child learning to swim etc.).
I think the writers of Lost were all a bit too young to have claimed influence from a book like this aren't they? Lindelof's age is similar to mine (mid 30s) and we grew up on Watchmen, way too young to be reading stuff like Mystery Tales. Maybe Abrams or Cuse are older, not sure. When the DVDs come out there might be commentary for this episode that is a bit more revealing, but I kind of doubt it. Nonetheless this is Lost and everything means something, but not everything means all that much.
Maven, thanks for confirming that info. From my end, i.e., not knowing what all the Octagoners do, I really assumed that specific book was used in "Cabin Fever" simply because it was a great visual. In regards to the younger guys producing the show having seen the book, well, I had an uncle in Shelbyville who had quite a few comics from the 50s I saw in the 70s when he was in retirement. I have this book called Strange Mysteries#5 that I found at a con years ago; I wanted it only because it had been one my uncle had. On the cover, two scientists had goggles and one was visibly shaken, because above them he saw a white blob fighting a red devil kind of monster. The goggles were integral to the story, but the two creatures battling never appeared, except for on the cover. I've mentioned to a few people that LOST should do what HEROES has done and put all their online stuff into a book, I reazlly don't think it would be that hard. Even descriptions of the mobisodes with still shots. Never mind I'm on dial-up, I know people who watch the show who never owned a computer or know how to get a mobisode. Imagine trying to explain Christian telling Vincent he knew "what to do" and then see the beginning of the very first episode. You can, but the initial surprise is lost on the other person.
Thanks wayne, I stand corrected about being influenced by those older comics! You raise some fair points mate.
Your point made me remember that in Australia when I was in my late 20s the EC comics guys reprinted the old Tales from the Crypt etc. They were fantastic - had a real dark edge to them that the Lost Tales of Mystery comic doesn't have. Some of those stories are dark even by todays standards. Hadn't thought about them in years!
Cheers mate.
Wow, I get a crummy stomach-bug for a day and don't get online, and I really missed a lot! :-o
Great comments everyone! Thanks for 'splaining the relation between the comic and the Octagon site Maven. I wrote the post assuming that anyone who'd read it would know about that. :-B Yes, it's still curious as to why the Octagon site refers to it. It will be really neat if it turns out that TPTB were just giving kudos to the hard core fans again. But then again, wouldn't the game have been planned and set up a fair amount of time before the comic scans went online, and TPTB would have something else planned? Still suspicious for now....just because it's fun to be, heehee.
I agree about the old comics, there is a lot of interest in the old relics by fans of comic history, and sometimes you just want to pick up one of those old ones because they are neat looking or the story is bizarre enough, or there's a interedting history behind it. JJ and TPTB could be fans like that too.
I just wanted to go back a bit to that fake post that claimed The Travellers was a story about a time travel type game. I never realised quite how extensive the theories out there are that Lost could be some sort of a game between warring parties. If you check out Lostpedia there are heaps of hints that this could be what Lost is about (see Link below):
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Rules/Theories
Sorry if this had been blindingly obvious to you more experienced fans, but I was amazed by what I read there.
Imagine if in a few years time we get to the last episode of Lost and this anonymous guy had actually spoiled the whole series for us? Imagine the irony that even if this guys was deliberately lying to set people up, that his or her lie ends up being the truth? I'm gonna bookmark this website for the next couple of years until we know!!
Wasn't one of the creators (Lloyd Braun) of Lost's original idea that it was kind of like a Survivor type show on an island?
Sorry to bring things back full circle. I have a bit too much time on my hands.
That's a great point Goose! And hey, the Lostpedia people are vigilant about keeping the information as current as possible, so there is always something new to view. So it never hurts to pass on Lostpedia info. I have not read their theories on that yet, so I will have to do that today, thanks!
I'm not sure how I feel about it being just a game that two guys are playing, because that's a little too close to it being like just a dream or the dreaded "snowglobe ending". But if it is, I'm sure that TPTB will make it juicy. I thought that too about how bad it would be if this Anon person who posted that, happened to hit the mark....OR, if he is someone who has inside info and an ax to grind, in revealing TPTB's secrets and spoilers (like Lostfan108). I hope that TPTB don't even tell their wives how the show is going to end...ya know, like top secret military info. :o)
I just watched the Pilot (part 2) again. (I'm an english teacher and showed the first episode of Lost to the kids as we're exploring the theme of survival and resiliency). I got a really spooky feeling when John first meets Walt and tells him how backgammon was a game that dates back to Ancient Mesopotamia and how you have two clear cut sides - black and white. Obvious links there to the stones in Adam and Eves bodies and the link to Ancient Mesopotamia are two points that link to the anonymous guys version of The Travelers story. I think on the commentary somewhere Darlton mention that there is a clue in the first episodes that will make you realise when you get to the final episode that Lost has been cleverly plotted out all along. I take your point that its kind of fun to be paranoid!:):):)
You're right Goose, the Mesopotamian game idea does sound like the game in the fake explanation. That Anomymous poster sure has a good imagination, and picked the perfect fake story scenario to parallel LOST and get us all riled up. Dangitt. It's perfect, if it wasn't phony.
I'm really looking forward to the moment when it all clicks in our heads as we are watching the final few episodes, that will really be something. :-o
I never knew what an ARG was, before TLE and I was amazed how quickly the ARG pros dug out the clues and worked them out. Their paranoia (for lack of a better word) and diligence was what got the game solved, and often kept us way ahead of the people running the game! Although, that last part was pretty annoying, at those times when we had the clue answers but couldn't use them because the game had not released the application for the clues yet. :-p
BTW, Wayne, even if you can't look for clues and things on your dial-up, there will be enough blogs set up to follow the game, if there is one, so you will be able to follow along as it happens. That's what I do, not because of my computer, but because I'm not code savvy enough to figure stuff out. So I play vicariously via those who post all the action. :-D Although I did drive around Knoxville for over 50 miles looking for the dang billboard that ended up being put up about 1.5 miles from my house. :-p
Capcom, I still would like the ARG stuff collected in a type of trade, like the online stuff about HEROES or Alan Moore's THE BLACK DOSSIER. I caught a few things on different blogs, but I'm more linear when it comes to things in my bookshelf, and I'd love stills from the Sri Lanka video or transcripts of the podcasts all in one place. Find815.com was pretty cool, though, and I was able to follow it, but I would still like to see graphics in book form.
Lost Goose: the Adam & Eve thing is the first real Easter Egg, the one that tells us that nothing was being made up as they went along with the show. In little ways, though, we had other hints. The previous episode was called "White Rabbit." I've told this to a few people, I think Jacob was in Locke for awhile simply so Locke would then watch and question Walt. In the last mobisode, Christian tells Vincent he "knows what to do," and then it basically becomes the opening scene of the show, with Vincent running past Jack. My thoughts are that Jacob went from Christian to Vincent to Locke. As you watch through that first arc, you really see Locke as a decent guy who is made to believe the Island cured him out of goodness. Then he gets all jumpy when he sees his ability to walk being taken away from him.
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting to say that I second your idea about a LOST comic, in some capacity, Wayne! Especially, laying out the ARG plots in print would be a great idea. I made something up like that for the 815 game, to explain it to my family, to help them understand why there was an Oceanic billboard in town and why I had been driving around trying to find it.
Damelton recently said that at times they think about a LOST comic of some kind, but that (paraphrasing badly here) it can't happen until the show is over so as not to do anyting that veers too far outside the show, or to create a suplementing of show info in another media. I really didn't understand that, since the Heroes online comic worked out really well, I thought (as far as I followed it anyway).
I think that TPTB said that as early as the Pilot ep, there is something that we missed that will come to light at the end. Adam and Eve don't show up until Ep#6, right? But you're right, TPTB do also often reference A&E as being a mile-marker of the fact that they've had parts of the end of the story in mind since the beginning.
I'm starting to warm up to your Jacob theory, Wayne, especially if I think about him in terms of those so-called "walk-ins" that are often talked about on the Art Bell show. Here's Wiki's definition: "[A] Walk-in is thought to be a person whose original soul has departed his or her body and been replaced with a new soul. It is based on a misunderstanding of an ancient concept described in Hinduism whose modern name originated in the Spiritualist faith and was popularized by the related, but not identical New Age movements and beliefs."
This thought might need a blog post investigation and theory, actually! :-D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk-in
Geez-loo-weez, sorry about the gigantic post! It's just so much fun to talk to you all, I get carried away. :-D
Hey, no worries about the size of the post. We all love reading em too!!
A few of the kids mentioned that Locke looked really spooky when he's talking to Walt in that Pilot episode, so I like that walk in idea too.
What an amazing show this is. I look at the other stuff on t.v and I think how lucky we are that a show of the quality of Lost ever got made in the first place. I think the guy that originally helped conceive it (Braun??) got the sack just before Lost became successful.
That is true Goose, I thought that was a sad story when I read about it on Lostpedia last year. But at least his name still goes on the opening credits, and he gets paid for it too. That's some consolation.
Hey, gang. The HEROES comic that ran online did involve at least one character not ever depicted on the show and many other pages-they were posted once a week-seemed to be outtakes for scenes that couldn't fit in the hour time slot. The comic enhancced the show, but I didn't miss anything. I just was happy that the format saw another medium. I am not certain why the LOST stuff couldn't be released in similar fashion, because to say they cannot until the show ends...well, why the eff post anything about Valenzetti and Sri Lanka to begin with? I know the Flight815 ARG was designed by another company last summer and thats why the freighter was called the Christiana. So maybe its more dealing with the individual designers of the ARGs, I don't know.
Capcom, Jacob could indeed be a walk-in. But I don't see him in Locke by the time he and Boone discover the Swan hatch and the Beechcraft, but for when Locke loses his leg sensations again. He might just be lying dormant or, like the Numbers, the info was tossed in for us to mull over throughout the series. Locke certainly shows an obsession as the first season progresses, but why would Jacob care about the hatch? He must know about all the Dharma activities. Did he just go back in the cabin for awhile? Could this be when Ben contained him by the ring of ash?
From what I know, there were scenes from the pilot onward about the future of the show, but the Adam & Eve skeletons with the two stones was supposedly the first real thread to keep following.
That's exactly what I was thinking Wayne, when I read what TPTB said about having a comic...what was all that outside stuff that they put into the first ARG then?????!!
I say the outside material enhances the show for me...but then again, maybe that's just because it was all about one of my favorite subjects -- weird science -- and the creepy hippies gave it even more scariness for me. :o) I should go back a finish reading the Heroes comics, if they are still available online.
Capcom, there is probably a whole second series of HEROES comics on the web, so I'm sure the first set is archived. The book isn't a comic per se, its a hardback book with sketches and interviews, the stuff you'd find as extras on a DVD. Alan Moore's BLACK DOSSIER was a companion to THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMAN and was more like a scrapbook than anything else. Hard to explain the contents, they are so bizarre, best thing is to wiki it. No reason LOST can't do the same. I suppose I should have brought up Moore's book as a better example. He's like me, a crotchety old fart who likes books on a shelf and bemoans mouses and keyboards.
On another note, just about at the end of S1. I suppose the rift between Jack and Locke occur after Boone dies and I'm trying to pick up any parallels to more recent episodes. One small thing, Kate helped deliver Aaron, Kate has Aaron now and dreams of Claire. (Yea, Wayne the detective.) Past that the dynamic between Jack and Locke seems to be the main thread, which of course gets larger after they enter the Swan hatch (which I still would like to know why that Dharma station had a hatch, like the Pearl. Were they prone to sudden flooding?) Man of science, man of faith and all that. I think Locke makes Jack doubt himself. I can't really see much of Jacob anytime after the finding of the Beechcraft. Maybe Jacob leaves because Boone died? Just trying to sew the pieces together...
Oh, I didn't even know that the Heroes stories were in print. I started reading them when they had comics online onthe Heroes website, maybe it was in between S1 and S2, and I just assumed that that's all that there ever was. :-B
Right! Locke makes Jack doubt himself, and visa versa as well. Like when Fenry was talking Locke into realising how Jack orders him around, etc.
The Swan had a regular door like the Arrow, that Kelvin would leave through when he went out with the hazmat suit on. Des followed him out that door too. I've wondered why the stations had two doors, but most likely just for safety reasons.
I think maybe a hint to Jacob/Boone/Locke might be that Jacob made Lockes' legs go numb so that Boone would have to go up in the rickety plane, and not Locke, so as to save Locke from getting killed. I dunno, just running the brain.
Capcom, I guess by saying "comic" everyone continued to think "online comic." No, I meant a year's collected work of everything from online in a nice, tidy book that is now available in trade. True, Jacob could have been "monitoring" Locke to keep him from going in the plane, but I think at that point Jacob isn't "in" Locke (the walk-in thing). Later, when Walt shakes John's hand and says "Don't open it!" I think it is because Jacob is seeing through both Locke and Walt's eyes (or psyche, whatever) at the same time. Jacob knows Locke's determination to open it, and that the bum leg thing won't work as Locke now has told others about the hatch and his only option is to use Walt as a warning. Again, interesting to put clues together three years after the fact.
Oh, I know about the two exits to the Swan, and that the Pearl likely has one as seen by the tunnels on the blast door map. But why the ladders? Unless we've just never seen them in the other stations. Hell, it could simply be because of the terrain, too. Not reading anything into the ladders, mind you, just the fact that they are there.
Capcom, I guess by saying "comic" everyone continued to think "online comic." No, I meant a year's collected work of everything from online in a nice, tidy book that is now available in trade. True, Jacob could have been "monitoring" Locke to keep him from going in the plane, but I think at that point Jacob isn't "in" Locke (the walk-in thing). Later, when Walt shakes John's hand and says "Don't open it!" I think it is because Jacob is seeing through both Locke and Walt's eyes (or psyche, whatever) at the same time. Jacob knows Locke's determination to open it, and that the bum leg thing won't work as Locke now has told others about the hatch and his only option is to use Walt as a warning. Again, interesting to put clues together three years after the fact.
Oh, I know about the two exits to the Swan, and that the Pearl likely has one as seen by the tunnels on the blast door map. But why the ladders? Unless we've just never seen them in the other stations. Hell, it could simply be because of the terrain, too. Not reading anything into the ladders, mind you, just the fact that they are there.
Looks like a year or so on, the theory about the walk in looks alot more likely than I originally thought! Well done! (Sorry for posting on an old thread .. hope someone still reads this one)>
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